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and here's where you start to get into

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trouble some types of healing energy may

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not be compatible some types of

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conventional medical we just heard a

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talk we're trying to augment

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chemotherapy any clinical failure that

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I've ever seen has been associated with

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a conventional treatment and so and I

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don't I really don't mean this to be

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facetious but it sounds it and it

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probably is poorly worded perhaps

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healing and killing are incompatible if

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the purpose of the treatment is to kill

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and the purpose of the treatment is to

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heal maybe they ought not to go together

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if you're going to go to a cure by

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killing go for it if you're going to go

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for a cure by healing go for it if

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you're going to go and try to get all

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parts always and cover all your bets you

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may be minimizing your chances for

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success this needs to be experimental

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e-verify died was very close to being

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able to do this in a double-blind study

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on radiated mice and we lost all our and

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it doesn't matter proposition seven this

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is the last one and this is the one I am

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least confident about and this is going

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to get me in trouble

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healing can be taught I'm gonna suggest

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there is no really good evidence to that

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effect there are suggestions it's widely

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assumed healing can be taught and I once

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claimed it in a JSC article last year I

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published an article in explore asking

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can healing be taught and I had to

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retract part of the JSC article because

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I think I just didn't think through it

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deeply enough and perhaps it can prime

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not saying it can't I'm saying let's be

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clear about whether we have evidence now

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it is certainly the case experientially

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that most healers were themselves taught

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and if you go to talk any healers say

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yeah I had my master so-and-so and they

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taught me and this happened and that

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happened and all that stuff but other

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and there are very many methodological

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difficulties associated with the

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question in the JSC article I did got

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there was two thousand i claim i took

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inexperienced non-believing subjects I

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talked to my healing techniques I gave

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them bunch of cages of mice they did

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what you saw there they mad at me from

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being bored to tears themselves and they

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did they run through the procedure and

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their mice got better I said hey slam

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dunk killing could be taught well what

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that really means is I didn't think it

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through

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first of all could they have done it

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anyway maybe I'm the only lunatic dumb

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enough to try this we don't have a pre

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in a post we have a post I taught

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something something happened as a

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consequence could they have done it

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before I don't know who might have take

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and there are many many methodological

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difficulties associated with the

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question in particular this is an

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article I did in alternative and

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complementary medicine and it was the

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basis of a talk I gave a couple years

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ago to this group in my healing

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experiments the experimental and the

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control groups become entangled and my

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problem is getting the mice to die I

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know that sounds silly but I don't mean

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it facetiously so if I'm doing a

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treatment on an experimental group and

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I'm aware of I'm making this too simple

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but I'm aware of the control group the

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control group will remit my students who

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have learned this and and reproduced the

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healing cures when they've wandered into

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the lab where the control groups are the

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control groups are dying on schedule

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when the students go into the lab then

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all of the controls that are still alive

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will now remit that's a methodological

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problem

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it's also pretty interesting but you can

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see how this relates to can healing be

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taught so let's assume that it's going

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all over the place and I got a cage here

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in a cage here and I got someone here

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and they're doing a test and someone

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aired they're doing a test and

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everything gets better did I teach them

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or did it happiness and like the

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controls are getting better it becomes a

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really tough problem and so if we've got

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resin and bonding we got there a serious

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problem here of type 2 errors and I know

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there's a bunch of statisticians here in

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a type 2 error we're going to wrongly

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conclude that nothing happened when

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something really happened so my

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advantage is I have mice that died I

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know what should have happened

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what I do a study though I take my mice

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and I do this but those mice get better

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too now if you're traditionally trained

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you'll say there's no difference between

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the two they all got cured and since

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they all got cured nothing happened if

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you follow that's a type 2 error why

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there's no difference between the two

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what's a difference between the two I

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said you don't get the question that

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goes no what's the difference between

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the two and will they all got cured

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nothing happened it's kind of

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frustrating out there so a treatment to

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an experimental group can also result in

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a treatment to a control group and the

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if I'm treating a cage here and there's

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controls that are out at the

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registration desk and in between here

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and there there's a whole bunch of

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experimental animals these will get

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better those will get better and nothing

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in between will be affected even if it's

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the identical animal same strain same

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everything so I've done this in some

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medical schools where there's dozens of

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the same lab going on I'm treating in

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one lab everything

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better the controls get better and they

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had dozens of labs work on the identical

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Mouse nothing is affected it's very

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selective and more interestingly or

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perhaps equally it is interesting

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control groups that I don't know about

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get better too but they have to be part

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of my experiment if they're bonded in

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the experiment any animal in the

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experiment will get better even if I

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don't know that the animals exist that's

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interesting so we get these this is just

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five I've done many more with hundreds

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of mice but my experimental mice in

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ninety one point seven percent full cure

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and the only failures I've really had or

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when the students are biologists I'll

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leave that out there that's actually the

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case yeah so it's like the old thing

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that grad found you know you don't want

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medical students near sick people when

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he did experiments on them to show that

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in fact healing doesn't work and grad

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was looking into healing he tried

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skeptical medical students and they

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caused harm his conclusion was you know

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I'll leave it out there now in these

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particular I Anna 80.5% full cure of

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controls and this number is low and the

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reason it's low is because this is the

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overall number for the controls if we

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only included the controls once they had

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been discovered by the students it would

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be the same number because once the

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animals are seen they get cured and

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there seems to be an outside sphere of

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influence that will allow the mice to

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die so experimental and control mice can

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become bonded and I'm speculating here

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either through exposure to someone who

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knows the healing technique that will

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work or by the consciousness of the

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experimenter even if the experimenter

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doesn't know the healing technique so

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I've had graduate students assigned to

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me they assumed they were being punished

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and they got on God I got to a wheel

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around mice for this lunatic you know

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what it's doing that and then at the end

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after the my start to remit they got all

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here he is and they kept ending away so

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graduate students who don't know the

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healing technique have setup

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experimental protocols with second and

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third control groups all over the place

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I don't know about I don't know about

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those controls remit that's interesting

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and it also can result in type 2 errors

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so it becomes extremely difficult to

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demonstrate that healing can be taught

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know pre-post if you got risen and

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bonding you can you can type two error

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your brains out you can type one error

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and think that something did happen when

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it didn't and there's all sorts of

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methodological complications and so

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final questions for just this and these

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are things that I don't know what

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happens when healing occurs it's kind of

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like the fundamental question what is it

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that it is I think a really interesting

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question is the different healing

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techniques produce different results so

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mine for whatever reason work pretty